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08/03/2010

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FS

Boba Fett became an international icon speaking a total of less than five words

Nerd pedantry corner.  Nope.  Boba Fett's dialogue is as follows:

"As you wish"
"He's no good to me dead"
"What if he doesn't survive?
He's worth a lot to me"
"Put Captain Solo in the cargo hold"
[wordless scream]

Dabysan

Did I say words? I meant lines. 

M-----l

Not a bad list at all.  You stuck with the classic characters and threw in Wedge because every list like this needs at least one obscure selection.  I saw this list late last night and wanted to sleep on it before commenting.  When I woke up this morning, I saw that you'd already dumped your weakest choice in favor of Yoda.  Good move.

I was thinking about ripping on you for including Boba Fett, but you are
entirely right in your rationalization.  Despite the lame back story
from the prequels, he was pretty bad-ass in the originals.  I don't
think it had anything to do with how few words he spoke (Bossk didn't
say anything) or what he did onscreen (he fell in a pit).  It was all
about the armor.  Mandalorian armor just looks cool.

I guess the only one I can really take issue with is Lando.  He seemed super-cool to me as a kid, but I cringe through his scenes as an adult.  Billy Dee Williams might just be a worse actor than Mark Hamill.  I said might.

Dabysan

Billy Dee is not a great actor, but he does have amazing panache, which makes up for a lot. His voice is also excellent, as is his hair. I think that the Lando character would have been utterly forgettable in the hands of many other actors, but Billy Dee gave him a distinct identity.

Boba Fett looks cool. And he has an outrageously awesome name. Sometimes its the little things.

Jason

Well done, sir.  Now for the breakdown:

1) While I agree that Darth Vader is the most
iconic
character in The Trilogy (none of the Apocrypha will be considered and that includes the Special Edition blasphemy), this list is about the
best
character which of course is Han Solo.  The baddest muthafucka in the Galaxy (wasted Greedo without a second thought), arithmetic genius ("we can give you two thousand now plus another fifteen when we reach Alderaan."  "Seventeen, huh."), Hyperdrive maintenance specialist ("I've made a lot of special modifications."), pragmatic ("hokey religions and ancient wepaons are no match for a good blaster at your side"), observant ("What an incredible smell you've discovered!"), a player ("I think you just can't bear to let a gorgeous guy like me out of your sight.")...and so on.  Also don't forget that he had the greatest job eve, space smuggler.

2) Bob Fett is arguably in the Top 5 for most iconic characters but he is the undisputed Number 1 most overrated character.  For all of his badass posturing keep in mind that he was ultimately done in by being accidentally knocked into the pit of the Almighty Sarlac.  Hardly a dignified end for the most feared bounty hunter in the system.  Then again "Jedi's" place in the legacy is dubious considering a major plot point involved a panda on a flying motorcycle.

3) Wedge?  Really?  I follow your rationale and it's an interesting premise but I get the sense that he was thrown into this haphazardly...and therefore just as easily replaced with an Admiral Ackbar or Mon Motha.  But at least you didn't say Jar Jar or IG-88.

4) Lando is a pimp.  Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

Dabysan

Ugh. My new office's crappy new Internet just erased my brilliant response. Here it is again in shortened version.

1) Look, I think those are very strong arguments, but I have to counter with the fact that Vader effectively rules a galactic empire and has the ability to crush his enemies' throats with his MIND. And he beat Han Solo in their only head-to-head battle (I don't count Han's sucker punch in the first movie).

2) He may be overrated, but surely he belongs on the list. At worst, I put him one slot lower, beneath Chewy.

3) As I said Wedge has a significant advantage on one-trick ponies like Mon Motha and Ackbar, in that he survives to witness the full scope of events of the Trilogy. He is our silent witness. Wedge is all of us. And his name is awesome.

4) Noted.

M-----l

I've given this some thought and I think Wedge might be a stretch for inclusion.  I like your reasoning, but if you really want a character who witnessed everything, you should go with Artoo.  Not only was he there for most of the key events from the original trilogy, but he was also around for the important parts of the prequels.  The fact that you included Artoo in the #3 spot makes Wedge unnecessary.

I'm going to replace Wedge with a Gonk Droid. 

Dabysan

Well R2-D2 is neither a tertiary character, nor a silent witness to great events. There wouldn't have even been a second movie without R2 pulling Luke, Leia, Han and Chewy's fat out of the fire when they were caught in the compactor on the detention level.

Wedge is a metaphor for all of us.

Leia notwithstanding, if I had to bump anyone off this list it'd probably be Lando, not Wedge. If I were adding characters it would probably be Admiral Piett.

I am a little chagrined that I had to look up "Gonk Droid."

M-----l
Wedge is a metaphor for all of us.
Wedge isn't a metaphor for me.  He participated in the destruction of not one, but two Death Stars.  I just sat on my ass and watched the movies over and over again and memorized everybody's names.  I was on the outside looking in; he was on the inside blowing up TIE-fighters.

Although he didn't have much screen time or many lines, Wedge was more than just a silent witness to great events.  He was a participant...which raises him up from the level of mere metaphor to something else entirely.  Of course, I have no idea what that something else is because it just occurred to me that I might be confusing Wedge with Biggs Darklighter.  I never could tell those two apart.

Nevermind.
hotrod

Stay on target.

Dabysan

Biggs dies protecting Luke on his strafing run in the first movie. Wedge would have too, but he loses an engine and can't keep up. 

hotrod

Stay on target.

Dabysan

Lighten up!

M-----l

Okay, I'll play:


They came from behind!

(This might be one of the dorkiest Vox posts ever.  I'm almost ashamed.)

hotrod

I copy, Gold Five.

Dabysan

It's got a lot of competition, but yes, this is a real nerdy dude-fest. 

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